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Post by havayankee on Sept 27, 2005 22:16:12 GMT -5
Sorry its is 17 now runs. I was hoping the carnage ended at 14 but Sturtz just gave 2 walks and a home run. Anybody can have one bad game but....I don't like the complete collapse of the second tier bullpen with the exception of the improbable. Embree did well. No way we can succeed in the the play offs with this second tier. What a waste of our runs and Sheff's grand slam.
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Post by YanksFan on Sept 27, 2005 22:45:36 GMT -5
Hopefully in the postseason we won't have starters lasting less than 2 innings and putting you in a big hole...
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Post by bbt on Sept 28, 2005 0:11:30 GMT -5
My biggest concern is we got the lead back with Sheff's slam and lost it with walks and then grooved strikes. As bad as we were, the losses by both of the Sox and the Indians make it somewhat easier to swallow. The nature of sports means that teams like the O's can't lose forever and they were going to bust out. Now, one more thing, was that just about the worst thing any of you have ever watched??!? I think it was the 6th when they announced our pitchers had thrown 190 pitches so far. Don't know how many we ended up throwing but WOW!!! Let's just start it up again tomorrow and finish off Boston this weekend. ;D ;D
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Post by ZbiSal on Sept 28, 2005 1:00:05 GMT -5
Bad news, good news.
Bad news, the Yanks lost. We simply can't afford losing. Every loss may be lethal now.
Good news, The Red Sox(their 2nd game) and the Indians were so kind they lost too. Nice of them.
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Post by goodad on Sept 28, 2005 8:10:32 GMT -5
Our middle relief is what it is, and it's too late for personnel changes.
Frankly I'm more comfortable with this group than I was with Gabe and Felix, last night notwithstanding.
After games like last night, when all the yelling and screaming, name calling and swearing is over, I try and stand back, release myself from the whole thing and take the outside looking in perspective. This is what I come up with.
When we get into the post we're going to have either Small, Wang or Wright to fall back on as support out of the pen. I still have confidence in Leiter, strange as that may sound. I think Sturtze is hurt. Something's definitely wrong. And we still have Flash and Mo. No team wants to see them while trailing on the scoreboard. And no other team can boast a better 6 out tandem. Think about that for a second.
Forget Proctor and Franklin. Hopefully, we've seen the last of them this year. If we see them again, it's either going to be a blowout by us or against us.
And Moose was just off. No health issues. That's the best news of all.
Baltimore was bound to bust out sooner or later. The law of averages dictates that. Turns out it was last night. Big deal!
You can say we lost an opportunity. And we did. But so did Boston. Only they did it by coughing up a lead with their savior on the mound. Frankly, if I were them, I'd be very concerned. Schilling was topping out at about 91. Not good news for the nation. And believe me when I tell you, as bad as our pen was last night, Boston's is worse. If not for Wakefield, once again, pitching out of his head, we could easily hold a 1 game lead in this thing. But that's baseball, and tomorrow's another day.
One more thing. Chen was throwing BP, and the Yanks hit him like it. The sticks are hot. Most nights we win that game going away. Another good sign.
Couple more in Kramden and then we round it out this weekend. And I can't wait,
'CAUSE I STILL LOVE THIS TEAM!!!
EVEN GOD LOVES THE NEW YORK YANKEES!!!
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Post by rags on Sept 28, 2005 8:20:21 GMT -5
I agree about Leiter. His last two outings from the pen, he's pitched great for an inning and then fallen apart the next inning. It seems counterintuitive since he's been a starter all his career, but maybe one inning is now his limit, at least when he's coming out of the pen? Anyway, we don't have any other candidates for the lefty set-up role.
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Post by Knuckles on Sept 28, 2005 8:20:26 GMT -5
Good positive take, Goo.
I like it.
Actually, we very well could have escaped as Leiter started quite well.
But bottom line, he walked the leadoff guy in the fourth. He can play a key role, but he has been around long enough to know better.
I'm not so sure that Proctor won't play a further role. Tanyon really looks tanked, and F-Rod showed that the scoreless inning Monday, and not the rest of the season, was the fluke.
I also think that if the pen carries two lefties, one of them should be Franklin. Hard choices. Bad results notwithstanding, I like someone who can pound it like Embree. And Leiter appears to be Joe's first choice. But although everyone following Leiter (except Embree THIS night) had the deer in the headlights look. Only Wayne, once he allowed the LONG sac fly, snapped out of it.
YANKEE BASEBALL!!!
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Post by Yankin'It in Beantown on Sept 28, 2005 8:26:39 GMT -5
Exactly, Goo. Everyone had to figure Baltimore was going to bust out in a big way one of these night. MLB losing streaks do not go on forever!
It was an ugly loss but it's just one.
Now is not the time to rip apart our pen. This is what we got. We're tied for first. A lot of teams would love our to have "our problems" right now.
This is the best time of year to be a Yankee fan!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2005 8:33:04 GMT -5
You can say we lost an opportunity. And we did. But so did Boston. Only they did it by coughing up a lead with their savior on the mound. Frankly, if I were them, I'd be very concerned. Schilling was topping out at about 91. Not good news for the nation. I hate to burst your bubble pie-in-the-sky but how many times has this been said? "Oh people should be concerned about Schilling he isn't throwing hard, his mechanics are off, his this is wrong, his that is wrong, blah, blah, blah...." Only to see this big-mouthed, bloody-socked, b@$tard go and shut the Yanks down when it matters most! Guess what??? If the rotation remains the same, he'll be pitching Sunday night in probably the most important game of the entire baseball season and you think he's not going to come up big against the Yanks? Hey he's done it with Arizona, he's done it with the Sox (and with only one leg mind you...), what makes anybody think that he can't do it again when all the chips are on the table against the Yanks? I would love to see this pompous @$$ get shelled all the way down Yawkey Way but I know for sure that aint happening especially when it matters most. "EMBRACE THE COLLAPSE!"
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Post by Yankin'It in Beantown on Sept 28, 2005 8:36:40 GMT -5
You can say we lost an opportunity. And we did. But so did Boston. Only they did it by coughing up a lead with their savior on the mound. Frankly, if I were them, I'd be very concerned. Schilling was topping out at about 91. Not good news for the nation. I hate to burst your bubble pie-in-the-sky but how many times has this been said? "Oh people should be concerned about Schilling he isn't throwing hard, his mechanics are off, his this is wrong, his that is wrong, blah, blah, blah...." Only to see this big-mouthed, bloody-socked, b@$tard go and shut the Yanks down when it matters most! Guess what??? If the rotation remains the same, he'll be pitching Sunday night in probably the most important game of the entire baseball season and you think he's not going to come up big against the Yanks? Hey he's done it with Arizona, he's done it with the Sox (and with only one leg mind you...), what makes anybody think that he can't do it again when all the chips are on the table against the Yanks? I would love to see this pompous @$$ get shelled all the way down Yawkey Way but I know for sure that aint happening especially when it matters most. "EMBRACE THE COLLAPSE!" I absolutely positively refuse to believe it. Just not going to happen. Not this time. No way.
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Post by Knuckles on Sept 28, 2005 8:51:49 GMT -5
"Oh people should be concerned about Schilling he isn't throwing hard, his mechanics are off, his this is wrong, his that is wrong, blah, blah, blah...." Only to see this big-mouthed, bloody-socked, b@$tard go and shut the Yanks down when it matters most! Guess what??? If the rotation remains the same, he'll be pitching Sunday night in probably the most important game of the entire baseball season and you think he's not going to come up big against the Yanks? Hey he's done it with Arizona, he's done it with the Sox (and with only one leg mind you...), what makes anybody think that he can't do it again when all the chips are on the table against the Yanks? I would love to see this pompous @$$ get shelled all the way down Yawkey Way but I know for sure that aint happening especially when it matters most. "EMBRACE THE COLLAPSE!" Let's not start building statues of Top Step just yet, even if the primary purpose is to give them the pigeon treatment. Contrary to popular opinion, he does not always come through against the Yanks, even with the game on the line: “ ... That was something special."
Hideki Matsui tied an ALCS record with five RBIs, four off Curt Schilling, who allowed six runs in three innings and isn't sure whether his ailing ankle will keep him out of the rest of the series.
On a night that generated the kind of excitement expected from these great rivals, Mike Mussina was perfect through six innings before Mark Bellhorn doubled on a drive that hit the left-field wall on a hop with one out in the seventh. sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=241012110There are a lot of reasons for Yankee fans not to think back to the 2004 ALCS with pride. But there was at least one game with the very same match-up, and Moose walked away with the win. That and the image of A-rod and Shef almost knocking the Monster down in a series right after the All Star break is plenty to keep this Yankee fan's head held up high. Curt snapped back last time into New York, but Shef was out then. He looked to be back in a big way last night. YANKEE BASEBALL!!!
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Post by GoodFriar on Sept 28, 2005 9:07:58 GMT -5
A loss is a loss, whether it's 1-0 or 17-9. We're still tied for the WC lead and the AL East lead.
This weekend will be special.
Very nice post by Goo, on the status of our bull pen.
The stiffs we saw mopping up last night, won't see the mound the rest of 2006. So, why worry about it?
And Sheff seems to be feeling just fine, thank you very much.
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Post by goodad on Sept 28, 2005 9:18:52 GMT -5
You may very well be correct RC, my crystal ball doesn't appear as clear as yours apparently does.
But by this time next week I fully expect to be discussing game 1 and preparing for game 2 of the ALDS, regardless of what Schilling does or does not do.
And not to worry, my bubble is still fully intact.
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Post by DavidL on Sept 28, 2005 9:34:30 GMT -5
You can say we lost an opportunity. And we did. But so did Boston. Only they did it by coughing up a lead with their savior on the mound. Frankly, if I were them, I'd be very concerned. Schilling was topping out at about 91. Not good news for the nation. I hate to burst your bubble pie-in-the-sky but how many times has this been said? "Oh people should be concerned about Schilling he isn't throwing hard, his mechanics are off, his this is wrong, his that is wrong, blah, blah, blah...." Only to see this big-mouthed, bloody-socked, b@$tard go and shut the Yanks down when it matters most! Guess what??? If the rotation remains the same, he'll be pitching Sunday night in probably the most important game of the entire baseball season and you think he's not going to come up big against the Yanks? Hey he's done it with Arizona, he's done it with the Sox (and with only one leg mind you...), what makes anybody think that he can't do it again when all the chips are on the table against the Yanks? I would love to see this pompous @$$ get shelled all the way down Yawkey Way but I know for sure that aint happening especially when it matters most. "EMBRACE THE COLLAPSE!" Schilling has been more bad than good this year, even since he returned to the rotation. He may come up big Sunday, but he just as easily may not. Even in NY, his fastball was still not the same as last year. Did he pitch that well, or did the bats take one of their (too-frequent) days off? As has been mentioned, Sheff was out of that game, but he's back, and the rest seems to have done him good. And let's remember that there's no way that Schilling is going 9 innings (did anybody notice how gassed he was in the 7th last night? I was surprised Francona left him in so long), so the Boston pen, which has just as many holes/question marks as the Yankees', will have to perform, as well. Besides, if the Yankees take the next 2 from the Birds, and the first 2 in Boston, the Sunday game is meaningless. (And, yes, I realize that means having to beat Wakefield.)
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Post by mattinglyhof on Sept 28, 2005 9:36:51 GMT -5
With the exception of Moose and Tanyon(and either Embree or Leiter my pick Embree) Im not expecting any of those stiffs on the playoff roster.Randy Moose Small Chacon Wang Mo Gordon Sturtze Embree Wright thats 10.
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Post by soxfan9 on Sept 28, 2005 9:57:42 GMT -5
Schilling has been more bad than good this year, even since he returned to the rotation. He may come up big Sunday, but he just as easily may not. Even in NY, his fastball was still not the same as last year. Did he pitch that well, or did the bats take one of their (too-frequent) days off? Interesting that you're taking that approach when thinking about Schilling, yet you seemed to ignore that possibility when discussing the two 1-0 squeakers your team managed to cling to, instead citing good pitching. But of course, I'm not surprised, either.
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Post by DavidL on Sept 28, 2005 10:08:07 GMT -5
Having watched the 1-0 games, I can say the pitching was good (on both sides). I didn't see Schilling's game (thanks Fox ), only followed it on the net. The only thing I could tell was that his fastball seemed, once again, to be topping off at 91 or 92. Even you, niner, should realize that that's just not the Schilling fastball that we've all come to expect (prior to this season). If Schilling in fact pitched well in that game, my hat's off to him. But, I also know that there have been games this season when the Yankees should maul the opposing pitcher, but don't. That, and Schilling's more-bad-than-good performance this year raised that question in my mind. And niner, if you'll note, I did pose it as a question, and FYI, it wasn't rhetorical.
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Post by Pattons3rdArmy on Sept 28, 2005 10:23:54 GMT -5
I hate to burst your bubble pie-in-the-sky but how many times has this been said? "Oh people should be concerned about Schilling he isn't throwing hard, his mechanics are off, his this is wrong, his that is wrong, blah, blah, blah...." Only to see this big-mouthed, bloody-socked, b@$tard go and shut the Yanks down when it matters most! Guess what??? If the rotation remains the same, he'll be pitching Sunday night in probably the most important game of the entire baseball season and you think he's not going to come up big against the Yanks? Hey he's done it with Arizona, he's done it with the Sox (and with only one leg mind you...), what makes anybody think that he can't do it again when all the chips are on the table against the Yanks? I would love to see this pompous @$$ get shelled all the way down Yawkey Way but I know for sure that aint happening especially when it matters most. "EMBRACE THE COLLAPSE!" Schilling has been more bad than good this year, even since he returned to the rotation. He may come up big Sunday, but he just as easily may not. Even in NY, his fastball was still not the same as last year. Did he pitch that well, or did the bats take one of their (too-frequent) days off? As has been mentioned, Sheff was out of that game, but he's back, and the rest seems to have done him good. And let's remember that there's no way that Schilling is going 9 innings (did anybody notice how gassed he was in the 7th last night? I was surprised Francona left him in so long), so the Boston pen, which has just as many holes/question marks as the Yankees', will have to perform, as well. Besides, if the Yankees take the next 2 from the Birds, and the first 2 in Boston, the Sunday game is meaningless. (And, yes, I realize that means having to beat Wakefield.) And don't forget about the Fat Man who is a big game pitcher. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2005 10:30:50 GMT -5
This isn't 2004, Curt Schilling isn't the dominant pitcher he was just a year ago, and a Moose-Schilling rematch in the season finale will not mirror Game One of the '04 ALCS.
Rather, it will more likely mirror last night's game, but sub Schilling for Moose and Moose for Chen. Or something like that.
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Post by DavidL on Sept 28, 2005 10:31:34 GMT -5
Schilling has been more bad than good this year, even since he returned to the rotation. He may come up big Sunday, but he just as easily may not. Even in NY, his fastball was still not the same as last year. Did he pitch that well, or did the bats take one of their (too-frequent) days off? As has been mentioned, Sheff was out of that game, but he's back, and the rest seems to have done him good. And let's remember that there's no way that Schilling is going 9 innings (did anybody notice how gassed he was in the 7th last night? I was surprised Francona left him in so long), so the Boston pen, which has just as many holes/question marks as the Yankees', will have to perform, as well. Besides, if the Yankees take the next 2 from the Birds, and the first 2 in Boston, the Sunday game is meaningless. (And, yes, I realize that means having to beat Wakefield.) And don't forget about the Fat Man who is a big game pitcher. ;D Like in his last start against the Yankees? And, Wells is highly unlikely to go more than 6, meaning the Yanks get a shot at the Sox pen. Wake could easily go 8 or 9 if they can't figure him out. Maybe if it's cold enough, his ball won't flutter as much.
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