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Post by DavidL on May 17, 2005 20:18:50 GMT -5
The list supporting my position is longer than the list supporting yours, though, niner. ;D
And you can't deny that for lots and lots of players, the ultimate dream is the pinstripes.
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Post by soxfan9 on May 18, 2005 8:40:19 GMT -5
And you can't deny that for lots and lots of players, the ultimate dream is the pinstripes. You're right, David, I can't deny it, but mostly because I don't know where lots and lots of players dream of playing.
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Post by Knuckles on May 18, 2005 10:13:00 GMT -5
What I was trying to say was, if the Yanks are such a great place to play, and they're so full of tradition, pinstripes, Yankee Stadium, yada yada yada, why wouldn't a player like Beltran take less to play there? Agreed that the Beltran case makes YF's argument, and not the other way around. If you want to make the case you're arguing, Greg Maddux is a much better example. He was ready to sign, and then went to Atlanta. Granted, we hadn't started the string of crowns yet. And it takes a lot of as-s-umptions to say any more. He could have had four rings rather than one here. Or could he? Would AL lineups have hit him harder and shortened his career, perhaps even denying him no. 300? We'll never know. YANKEE BASEBALL!!!
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Post by soxfan9 on May 18, 2005 10:30:51 GMT -5
Agreed that the Beltran case makes YF's argument, and not the other way around. If you want to make the case you're arguing, Greg Maddux is a much better example. He was ready to sign, and then went to Atlanta. Granted, we hadn't started the string of crowns yet. And it takes a lot of as-s-umptions to say any more. He could have had four rings rather than one here. Or could he? Would AL lineups have hit him harder and shortened his career, perhaps even denying him no. 300? Baseball is the greatest "what if" sport I know. I hadn't realized that Beltran was willing to take less to get into pinstripes. Hey, we all make mistakes, but thanks for being yet another person to point it out. . .
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Post by Knuckles on May 18, 2005 10:44:38 GMT -5
No credit for throwing you the "Greg Maddux" bone, huh? And just when you've admitted you can't think of another guy who CHOSE to go elsewhere.
Oh well. My work here is done. I can only lead you to water...
YANKEE BASEBALL!!!
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Post by Skinnyhead on May 18, 2005 10:46:10 GMT -5
I always thought Maddux rejected the Yankees all along.
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Post by Knuckles on May 18, 2005 11:08:26 GMT -5
I always thought Maddux rejected the Yankees all along. My recollection is that when he went to Atlanta the Yanks thought they had him. I believe we signed Jimmy Key after Greg sent his regrets after talking to the Braves. YANKEE BASEBALL!!!
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Post by Skinnyhead on May 18, 2005 11:24:37 GMT -5
My recollection was that Greg thought NY was not such a great place to raise his kids. And there was never even a thought about him in pinstripes. Or maybe that was Roger Clemens circa 1996.
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Post by DavidL on May 18, 2005 11:44:52 GMT -5
I think you're thinking Clemens, Skinster. Maddux had just about signed a deal, then bolted for Atlanta. Sort of the way Boomer had a handshake with the D-backs and re-signed with the Yanks.
But, Clemens went to the highest bidder (remember when the Jays were a big-market, high-revenue, high-spending team? Seems like ages ago.), so whether it was aversion to NYC or just the $$$$$ in Roger's eyes, we'll never know.
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Post by D23 on May 18, 2005 12:32:26 GMT -5
Interesting. For some reason, my recollection is similar to Skinny. What I remembered was the Yankees went hot after him. No dispute about that. He narrowed down to 2 or 3 teams including the Yankees. But from what I remember he basically used the Yankees to drive his price up. Not saying that he was not closed to becoming a Yankee but he really wanted to stay in NL and get away from big city. Yes, Clemens was concerned about raising kids in NYC but several players were as well...
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