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Post by DavidL on Mar 14, 2007 7:42:29 GMT -5
the administration has politicized the offices of the U.S. Attorneys, forcing out one very competent prosecutor in order to give the job to a crony of Rove's, and forcing out a number of others who were insufficiently loyal to the administration. Who cares if they're doing their job if they're not supporters of the Prez? And the stories keep changing. Gonzales is at a minimum incompetent and should go.
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Post by Knuckles on Mar 14, 2007 8:12:52 GMT -5
the administration has politicized the offices of the U.S. Attorneys, forcing out one very competent prosecutor in order to give the job to a crony of Rove's, and forcing out a number of others who were insufficiently loyal to the administration. Who cares if they're doing their job if they're not supporters of the Prez? And the stories keep changing. Gonzales is at a minimum incompetent and should go. Not until they forge him a Medal of Freedom, just like the one George Tenet got for the "slam dunk" on Iraqi WMD. Although it is nice to see Alberto throwing Harriet Myers under the bus to try and save his skin. Sooner or later much of the truth behind this Admin will out. Rats in a sinking ship. |
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Post by goodad on Mar 14, 2007 9:31:02 GMT -5
I would just like the board to know that this is easily defensible, and certainly not without precedent. (No, I'm not mentioning names.)
But I'm taking a break from the debate.
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Post by DavidL on Mar 14, 2007 9:41:45 GMT -5
Neither easily defensible, and unprecedented, if truth be known. Even many Republicans are upset by this. If they were so defensible, you'd think that the White House and DOJ would have given everybody a straight answer on this and stuck to it, Gonzales' chief of staff wouldn't have had to resign, and Harriet Myers wouldn't be the fall girl for it all.
The emails are really very damning.
Let me ask you a question, goo - do you think that Bush has done anything wrong in his 6 years in office?
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Post by goodad on Mar 14, 2007 10:04:23 GMT -5
Just so you know, there are a lot of Republicans turning into wimps and whipping boys for the left. They neither have the stamina nor the fortitude to stand up for those of us who put them in office. They cower when they should attack, and whine when they should fight. As for your question on Bush, I do. He's been spending my money like a drunken sailor, and I'm not talking about financing the war on terror. I have no problem with that. The defecit has me greatly concerned for my children, and if the the Dems take control in '08, the inevitable tax and spend policies they are famous for, will spin this country into another recession worse than the last. Now don't ask me anymore questions. I'm taking a break remember?  |
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Post by DavidL on Mar 14, 2007 10:20:43 GMT -5
Sorry goo, but you're saying borrow and spend is better than tax and spend? IMO, if you're going to spend the money, at least pay as you go, don't pawn it off on future generations. As for Bush's spending problem, his drunken sailor spending has been on the tax breaks he gave to the rich while wasting hundreds of billions for the for the so-called war on terror (which really has had very little to do with going after terrorists, it's mostly been Iraq, which was neither a supporter of nor a haven for terrorists before the invasion). His insistence on maintaining the tax breaks in the face of a clear need (given his insistence on invading and occupying Iraq) for more revenues has only exacerbated the problem. Frankly, the rest of the budget has been flat or declining. In comparison, the Democrats are the epitome of fiscal responsibility. (I still seethe over Reagan attacking Carter for $30-60 billion/year deficits, and proceeding 1) never to send a balanced budget to Congress, and 2) increasing the deficits to over $200 billiion/year through his irresponsible tax cuts for the wealthy - and don't blame the Dems in Congress - they only gave Raygun everything he asked for).
Interesting that you turn on Republicans when they criticize the administration for its arrogance and incompetence. If the left was as potent as you seem to think, it's amazing that there hasn't been a President who could remotely be called a leftist since Truman, or perhaps FDR. I suppose LBJ's civil rights record could be considered something of a leftist policy, but that was counter-balanced by his record in Vietnam.
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Post by Knuckles on Mar 14, 2007 11:53:17 GMT -5
A Bush Attorney General "dismayed" by "mistakes"?
Point to one similar statement from a Bush cabinet level official from 2001-2004. Is Gonzalez one of the "wimps"? Or is Fox just reporting the usual with Bush: another overstep as "legitimate" and "business as usual"? Sounds like a clear case of them both "reporting" and "deciding": Viewers should just listen and accept.
Have a nice break, Goo.
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Post by J-Rem on Mar 14, 2007 12:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by GoodFriar on Mar 14, 2007 15:00:01 GMT -5
C'mon guys.... Every Attorney General in US history is an absolute hack, and you know it! Ashcroft, Reno, Meese. John Mitchell was the worst. Now, this Yankee farmhand comes in and fires US attorneys just because he feels like it.  |
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Post by DavidL on Mar 14, 2007 15:07:47 GMT -5
I beg to differ, GF.
Janet Reno was no hack. Bobby Kennedy was no hack. Elliot Richardson was definitely not a hack. Nor were Ramsey Clark, Griffin Bell, Dick Thornburgh, nor many others who have served in the post, both Republicans and Democrats (and Whigs, going back farther). Mitchell and Meese were particularly low points, and it's looking like Gonzales may end up in their class. But they stand out because of their lack of either competence or ethics, or both.
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Post by Knuckles on Mar 14, 2007 17:31:08 GMT -5
My reference to Gonzalez as the Attorney General was simply used to mean that this guy is saying mistakes were made and how upsetting it is while working for the Pres whose Admin supposedly never makes mistakes.
Invasion w/out WMD = no mistake
Mission Accomplished = no mistake
Bring It On = no mistake
Saying No wiretaps w/out a warrant, doing opposite = no mistake
When they say they made a mistake, it's time to take notice.
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Post by DavidL on Mar 15, 2007 8:54:56 GMT -5
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