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Post by fordham on Jan 14, 2014 12:31:27 GMT -5
I listened to the interview of Joe Tacopina, A-Rod's lawyer, on the Boomer & Carton show. He wasn't particularly impressive, kind of an in your face guy with limited points to make. As I understand it, A-Rod's defense is that he didn't fail any drug tests, but that was Bosch's specialty to supply you with drugs that wouldn't show up on a test, just like Lance Armstrong and others. So, the didn't fail a test argument is weak, especially when A-Rod's admitted drug use in the past. And then the second defense is that Bosch is shady and lacks credibility, therefore you can't believe him as a witness. To which I say, what is an athlete worth hundreds of millions of dollars doing hanging around Tony Bosch?
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Post by DavidL on Jan 14, 2014 12:53:13 GMT -5
That's also ignoring the fact that Bosch has emails and text messages that pretty much back up his testimony.
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Post by JohnM on Jan 14, 2014 13:54:27 GMT -5
Looking at the documents he put up no defense of #13.
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Post by fordham on Jan 14, 2014 14:19:42 GMT -5
"That's also ignoring the fact that Bosch has emails and text messages that pretty much back up his testimony." I don't know where Tacopina and A-Rod think they can go with their case, unless they think they will convince a judge to exclude the e-mails. I didn't watch 60 Minutes and hear all the details, but Tacopina is just another lawyer who thinks he can put one over on people.
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Post by DavidL on Jan 14, 2014 14:39:42 GMT -5
A judge would need clear and convincing evidence (at a minimum) that the emails are either irrelevant (virtually impossible) or counterfeit (highly unlikely, no evidence of such presented at the arbitration) before he or she would even consider excluding them and overturning the arbitrator's decision. Merely claiming, on appeal, that the emails are fake will not be sufficient.
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Post by JohnM on Jan 14, 2014 15:58:52 GMT -5
A-Rod's lawyer says some tied to PEDs are 'god-like in Boston' By Dayn Perry | Baseball Writer January 14, 2014 3:21 pm ET
To hear A-Rod's attorney tell it, a player who's very popular in Boston is also linked to PED use. (USATSI) MORE: A-Rod arbitration case files favor MLB
Joe Tacopina, the attorney for Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, on Tuesday appeared on Colin Cowherd's objectively awful radio show and cast some PED-related aspersions in the general direction of the reigning champs. The summary from Neil Best of Newsday:
The painfully obvious implication is that a member of the 2013 championship Red Sox team is linked to the use of banned substances. This is no huge leap, as back in 2009 the New York Times reported that, for instance, David Ortiz tested positive in the 2003 round of survey testing.
This isn't to say that Tacopina is referring to Ortiz, the 2013 World Series MVP, or that Ortiz has in fact ever done anything untoward along those lines. Rather, that's to say it's nothing particularly groundbreaking to say a core Red Sox player has been linked to PEDs.
As for Tacopina's client, A-Rod is of course facing a season-long suspension in 2014 for his alleged ties to the Biogenesis scandal. Reportedly, Rodriguez's legal team is planning to attack the suspension in federal court.
Topics: Alex Rodriguez, David Ortiz, Boston Red Sox, New York Yankees, MLB
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Post by fordham on Jan 14, 2014 16:15:42 GMT -5
Tacopina's media tour hasn't done A-Rod any good in the P.R. department. He ought to be quiet for a while until he can come up with something tangible that would tend to prove A-Rod's innocence.
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Post by JohnM on Jan 14, 2014 18:29:15 GMT -5
Nothing tangible coming. It's over.
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Post by GoodFriar on Jan 15, 2014 12:06:43 GMT -5
Nothing tangible coming. It's over. Nothing tangible...like a failed drug test. Instead, it's reliance on the testimony of a paid informant who has been known to lie, and text messages sent back and forth. Das it.
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Post by DavidL on Jan 15, 2014 13:25:19 GMT -5
The text messages support the testimony. Pretty tangible.
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Post by rags on Jan 15, 2014 14:28:31 GMT -5
There's nothing magical about drug tests. Guys who are taking PEDs can pass them. In fact, Bosch's products were designed to avoid detection.
Bosch's credibility was obviously open to challenge, but it was corroborated by the phone records. The arbitrator found that guilt was proved by clear and convincing evidence, which is a high standard.
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Post by JohnM on Jan 15, 2014 14:31:51 GMT -5
5 of Bosch guys did fail tests. Poor Manny Ramirez, Melky, Colon, Braun and a minor league guy. I guess they didn't use the middle stream.
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Post by JohnM on Jan 15, 2014 14:35:58 GMT -5
Nothing tangible coming. It's over. Nothing tangible...like a failed drug test. Instead, it's reliance on the testimony of a paid informant who has been known to lie, and text messages sent back and forth. Das it. Friar would use pay $12k cash a month for legal supplements? Would you consort with a drug dealer - unlicensed guy if you were in MLB? Bosch had no valid medical credentials to do anything.
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Post by DavidL on Jan 15, 2014 14:36:02 GMT -5
Would Bosch's testimony, unsubstantiated, have been sufficient? Given his credibility, not even close. But with all the substantiation, it's plenty sufficient.
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Post by GoodFriar on Jan 15, 2014 14:55:38 GMT -5
Look guys, Friar doesn't doubt, for even a moment really, that Arod is guilty of doping.
But, the way MLB went about it was awful, and if the Players Union has any 'juice' left, they will remember this when it comes time to renew the CBA.
Friar despises Lance Armstrong, but Friar is also on record as saying he was railroaded just like what is happening to Arod now.
The Good Friar is very tired of this whole thing,and this is the last he's going to write about it,
Hopefully, Arod will serve his time, and return in 2015 with the Yanks and lead us to number 29.
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Post by JohnM on Jan 15, 2014 14:58:44 GMT -5
Railroaded? How? Is MLB facing prosecution?
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