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Post by damnyankeefan7 on May 4, 2005 22:58:32 GMT -5
I guess the original Cream (God, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker) as of yesterday or today, are playing 3 or 4 concerts in London the next few nights, their first since 68 (other than a short jam I guess when inducted in the HOF)...amazing. That'll be one for the ole record collection!
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Post by ZbiSal on May 5, 2005 2:59:13 GMT -5
God means Clapton?
Sorry I don't think he deseves this title. Technically maybe he was the best guitar player but that's not all. That's problem with Clapton. Great guitar player but only a mediocre artist. True artist, I think, not only can play great but he also has idea what to do with his talent. That's what Clapton lacked. He was the best when he played under somebody else's control like for example in Bluebreakers, Cream or Blind Faith where John Mayall, Jack Bruce and Steve Winwood respectively were leaders. His solo achievements it's another story. His only great LP, in my humble opinion, was "Layla". Not too much as for over 30 years of career. As a soloist he recorder such s**t like "Backless".
Certainly not a God.
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Post by Knuckles on May 5, 2005 8:04:18 GMT -5
Would love to see Cream, and even more so Blind Faith.
Thankfully, we have this off-topic board, so I can complain here about America's war on its own people (they call it The War on Drugs, and it spans administrations from both political parties, for too too many years).
We'll never see either group here (which is of course one minor aspect of why this "war" has been so damaging for so many years).
Boo!
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Post by DavidL on May 5, 2005 8:11:26 GMT -5
Sounds like an awesome concert. Let's hope it gets recorded well and hits the shelves.
Zbi, During his heyday, Clapton was referred to as God by his fans. Graffitti in subway stations, etc. He actually hated it, and all the attention and pressure was a major contributing factor to his drug problems. I do have to say that I think he's done lots of very good stuff in his solo or leader careers, but you're right, his best stuff came when someone else was in charge.
Knux, Once again, I absolutely agree. Has there been a bigger waste of money and lives in this country?
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Post by PurpleShamrock on May 5, 2005 10:16:26 GMT -5
Technically maybe he was the best guitar player... Clapton is a technically great guitarist, no doubt about it. But personally, I would say that blues legends Buddy Guy and Stevie Ray Vaughn were at least as good, if not better. Now as a creative guitarist, I'd still give the nod to the late Jimi Hendrix, bar none!
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Post by goodad on May 5, 2005 10:26:24 GMT -5
Back in the seventies, while in the military, I used to always send in the Playboy Music Poll for best artist at all the rock band instruments.
For lead I always went with Zappa, even though he couldn't sing and pick at the same time, with Jimmy Page a close runner up.
Eric was always near or at the top when the results came out.
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Post by PurpleShamrock on May 5, 2005 10:37:19 GMT -5
I'm a big Page fan myself, Goo (and a big Zeppelin fan in general, for that matter). Whom did you pick as your favorite bass player? Your favorite drummer?
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Post by goodad on May 5, 2005 10:48:01 GMT -5
McCartney and Bonham usually, but I would occaisionally go with Mick Box on drums.
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Post by damnyankeefan7 on May 5, 2005 11:13:50 GMT -5
and even more so Blind Faith. A short but great show that would be!
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Post by Effjay on May 5, 2005 18:06:03 GMT -5
Drums: you guys ever here of Niel Peart and Bill Bruford of Rush and Yes? Those were the boys. As for guitarist, Steve Howe, Steve Vai, and Eddie Van Halen ever ring a bell? Different type of music, I know but those guys could blow away anything Clapton could do, JMO of course.
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Post by Pattons3rdArmy on May 5, 2005 21:07:24 GMT -5
Neil Peart is flat out the best drummer. Seen him 2x and I'm in awe everytime I see his drum solo. Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater is another great drummer. What makes him good is that he doesn't do the typical beats like hitting the snare on the 2 count and bass on the 4 count. If you haven't heard of Portnoy, pick up any one of Dream Theater's CDs and you will not be disappointed. All 5 members of the band went to the Berkely school of music.
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Post by DavidL on May 5, 2005 23:24:09 GMT -5
On drums, no one ever beat out Keith Moon, IMHO. Absolutely awesome.
Hendrix was the best guitar player ever, no question, but Jeff Beck is not too far behind. Page runs neck and neck with Beck, IMO. Clapton's top 10, easily, but not in the top 5. Eddie Van Halen is excellent, but not in Beck's and Page's league. Same for Vai and Howe. Zappa may be the most underrated guitarist in the history of rock.
Bass players are a dime a dozen, but I really like John Paul Jones and Bill Wyman.
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Post by goodad on May 6, 2005 7:55:39 GMT -5
Greg Lake, also a great bass player.
And in those Playboy polls, Keith Moon was always in the top 3 drummers.
I was a big Uriah Heep fan back then, hence the Mick Box vote on occaision.
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Post by soxfan9 on May 6, 2005 9:36:47 GMT -5
I like the off-topic board--good idea, Phil!
As far as my faves, I grew up in the 80s, so my pick for guitarist is Eddie Van Halen, with Hendrix a very close second.
Drums--Neil Peart. Keith Moon and John Bonham are right up there for me, too.
Bass--that's a tough one, although the Rush fanatic in me would lean toward Geddy Lee. Chris Squire of Yes would be right behind.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 12:41:25 GMT -5
Ever remember the Japanese metal band Loudness?
Their guitarist, Akira Takasaki, blew Satriani, Eddie Van Halen and a lot of other big names out of the water!
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Post by Effjay on May 6, 2005 16:12:15 GMT -5
I can't belive your a Rush fan. My favorite Bassists are also Geddy Lee, Squire and John paul. I take back all the bad things I said about you. See what happens when we have somthing else to talk about exept baseball?
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Post by Pattons3rdArmy on May 6, 2005 20:30:24 GMT -5
What about me?? I've seen them 2x in concert, the most recent being the Vapor Trails tour. Did you get the 3 CD live concert from Rio?? Flatout awesome. Did you read Neil Peart's book called Ghost Rider about his travels on his BMW cycle after the tragic car wreck which killed his daughter and then his wife dying a year later? Great read. Not only is he one hell of a drummer, but he is one hell of a writer.
I sold my drumset (Ludwig...2 mounted toms, 1 floor tom, snare, and bass) a couple of years ago (Zjildian symbols). Boy, I regret it now. I will get Christian a nice set for him and I.
BTW, my favorite rush songs are Red Sector A, Dreamline, Cold Fire, Secret Touch, Spirit of the Radio, oh hell I love them all!!!!!
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Post by Phil on May 7, 2005 8:42:06 GMT -5
Cream often performed and jammed together unannounced, one occasion being Ringo Starr's Wedding to Barbara Bach (overshadowed by Paul, George and Ringo jamming there). I believe it was 78-79. I do like Eric Guitar style, Macca and Stanley Clarke are my two favorite bassists. A new band I am starting to get into is Jet. They seem to have everyone style, T-Rex, Stones, Beatles, Cream, Led Zep. That may be their only fault (lack of their own style) but I enjoy their current CD which I beleive was released overseas in 2003. Anyone know anything about them?
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Post by Effjay on May 7, 2005 16:14:38 GMT -5
I didn't know that you were also one of the chosen few . I have not yet read Neil's book but I will pick it up. I have been to at least 15 Rush concerts in my life the best being my first; 1983 Signals tour. 3 rd row, Madison Square Garden. I had a chance to go to the Vapor Trails concert and passed it up. A huge mistake, as my friend said it was one of the best he has seen. I didn't like the CD itself. I still should have gone. I hope they come out with another and I will go to the next one.
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