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Post by JohnM on Nov 27, 2017 14:46:42 GMT -5
You don’t want to do that. Any replacement pitchers would come to bat.
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Post by tarheelbomberfan on Nov 27, 2017 14:47:01 GMT -5
I would have to think New York would be a prime place for Otani to play, and what better team to play for than the greatest franchise ever? I have to like our chances and are hopeful we can land him.
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Post by JohnM on Nov 27, 2017 14:49:18 GMT -5
He’s never uttered a team preference. So the courtship will be important.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 14:51:54 GMT -5
You don’t want to do that. Any replacement pitchers would come to bat. on days he pitches that would only be a couple at bats late in the game...so the "normal" DH would hit in one of those spots and a PH in the other. also...just use Otani as a reliever, call him in from LF
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Post by JohnM on Nov 27, 2017 14:58:34 GMT -5
You don’t want to do that. Any replacement pitchers would come to bat. on days he pitches that would only be a couple at bats late in the game...so the "normal" DH would hit in one of those spots and a PH in the other. also...just use Otani as a reliever, call him in from LF Why would you do that? Why get him tired running the bases. Certainly until he has a track record I wouldn’t hit him on the day he pitches.
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Post by jimbue2 on Nov 27, 2017 15:12:05 GMT -5
when the guy pitches he shouldn't be concerned about hitting and running bases....no way no how unless its in nl city and i would limit his starts if i could in nl cities......if u wanna dh him 1 or 2 days a week fine.....if he hits he's dh 4 days a week ......its not that complicated
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Post by JohnM on Nov 27, 2017 15:17:16 GMT -5
when the guy pitches he shouldn't be concerned about hitting and running bases....no way no how unless its in nl city and i would limit his starts if i could in nl cities......if u wanna dh him 1 or 2 days a week fine.....if he hits he's dh 4 days a week ......its not that complicated Makes sense. Similar to when Judge was batting 7th. We could see he was going to move up in time. Ohtani needs to earn his DH ABs.
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Post by GoodFriar on Nov 27, 2017 16:30:46 GMT -5
True, Mikey...it isn't that complicated...just kind of fun to think about.
What if he is playing RF, relieves Montgomery with 2 out in the 6th to pitch to Altuve.
Can he the return to Rf the next inning?
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Post by jimbue2 on Nov 27, 2017 17:40:04 GMT -5
Y not
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Post by JohnM on Nov 27, 2017 17:45:52 GMT -5
SPORTS Ex-scout spills on ‘effortless’ Ohtani: Better than Darvish was By George A. King III
November 27, 2017 | 5:22pm
Trey Hillman managed Yu Darvish for the Nippon-Ham Fighters in 2006. Eight years later, Hillman scouted Shohei Ohtani while working for the Yankees.
Darvish was 19 in 2006 and Ohtani was 19 in 2014. And while Hillman saw more of Darvish, he ranks Ohtani ahead of him when they were the same age.
“Darvish and Ohtani, at the same age point, I would put Ohtani a full half-tick to three-quarters tick ahead of Darvish,’’ Hillman told The Post on Monday. “He had more arm speed at that point. When he reached back, Darvish got it to 94-95 mph. When Ohtani reached back he got it above 100, and it was seemingly effortless.”
Darvish is a free agent after five-plus seasons with the Rangers and nine starts for the Dodgers this past season. The 31-year-old right-hander is 56-42 with a 3.42 ERA in 131 big league starts. After two terrific outings in the NLDS and NLCS, when Darvish went 2-0 with a 1.59 ERA, he was awful in two World Series starts against the Astros, when he went 0-2 with a 21.60 ERA and worked a combined 3 ¹/₃ innings.
While the Yankees go about looking for Joe Girardi’s replacement, they are viewed by many teams as the favorite to land the 23-year-old Ohtani after he is posted by the Nippon-Ham Fighters. That could come as soon as Friday, when MLB owners are expected to approve a new posting agreement. Teams interested in negotiating with the two-way star would put up the $20 million posting fee, and Ohtani would have 21 days to decide for whom he wants to play.
In addition to the Yankees, the Dodgers, Mariners and Rangers are viewed as possible landing spots. The Rangers have the most international signing pool money ($3.535 million), and the Yankees are second ($3.5 million).
Hillman worked in the Yankees’ minor league system as a manager from 1990 to 2001. He joined the Rangers’ player development program in 2002 and took over the Ham Fighters in 2003 and stayed through 2006. He managed the Royals from the start of the 2008 season until being let go on May 13, 2010. He was Don Mattingly’s bench coach for three seasons in Los Angeles and joined the Yankees’ scouting department in 2014. He left to become the Astros’ bench coach in 2015. Currently Hillman is the manager of the SK Wyverns of the Korea Baseball Organization.
Hillman believes Ohtani, who was limited to five starts and 65 games as a hitter this past season because of thigh and ankle problems, can handle pitching and hitting in the big leagues. Others believe that doing both would be difficult because of time limitations.
“He is very dynamic on both sides of the ball,’’ Hillman said of Ohtani, who throws right-handed and swings from the other side.
Although the $20 million posting fee does not count against the 2018 luxury-tax threshold of $197 million, it’s a significant investment. That’s why people believe Ohtani is worth more to a team as a pitcher.
“His best value is on the mound because it’s so hard to find a No. 1 or No. 2 [starter],’’ Hillman said. “There is no doubt in my mind he will be exceptional.’’
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Post by dtwentythree on Nov 27, 2017 18:07:39 GMT -5
You don’t want to do that. Any replacement pitchers would come to bat. on days he pitches that would only be a couple at bats late in the game...so the "normal" DH would hit in one of those spots and a PH in the other. also...just use Otani as a reliever, call him in from LF A shorter distance to the mound, sounds good, saves miles on his legs.
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Post by dtwentythree on Nov 27, 2017 18:10:19 GMT -5
True, Mikey...it isn't that complicated...just kind of fun to think about. What if he is playing RF, relieves Montgomery with 2 out in the 6th to pitch to Altuve. Can he the return to Rf the next inning? Absolutely!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 7:26:30 GMT -5
a guy can do both...its not that grueling.
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Post by Skinnyhead on Nov 28, 2017 7:28:53 GMT -5
a guy can do both...its not that grueling. LOL. I think it’s stupid that it’s looked at as a huge accomplishment that a kid can pitch AND hit.
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Post by jimbue2 on Nov 28, 2017 9:03:55 GMT -5
i can see the apprehension ....lets face it pitching is an absolute asset and good pitching even more so....risking that over another say 80-100 games in which your gonna put him out there with a chance to get hit or pull a muscle running has to be a worry for any organization.....an athlete will play full bore .....taking it easy is not in their dna.....putting an asset out there always has propensity for injury ....its the nature of sport......
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Post by Skinnyhead on Nov 28, 2017 9:33:47 GMT -5
True, JB. But just looking at it from the perspective of a guy who has followed MLB for almost 50 years. It seems ridiculous compared to how the game used to be played.
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Post by jimbue2 on Nov 28, 2017 9:39:43 GMT -5
agreed!!!....listen as a kid the best players pitched, hit, played ss, played cf, stole bases....and never wore a warm up jacket between innings......its inconceivable now!!!......
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Post by NYY23 on Nov 28, 2017 9:45:23 GMT -5
I hope the manager uncertainty has no impact on him coming to the Yanks.
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Post by jimbue2 on Nov 28, 2017 9:51:55 GMT -5
i believe i read that it would not be a problem.....otherwise im sure yanks woulda hired one already.....they want this guy bad ....they've gone outta their way to put all their eggs in the basket in hopes of snagging him.....
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Post by DavidL on Nov 28, 2017 10:16:34 GMT -5
agreed!!!....listen as a kid the best players pitched, hit, played ss, played cf, stole bases....and never wore a warm up jacket between innings......its inconceivable now!!!...... But even back then, by the time a guy got to the bigs (if he did), he was down to either pitching or playing, usually, one position (guys might have been SS/2B, or RF/LF, but very few were playing OF and IF except utility guys). The skill level is obviously much higher, and whatever the guy was best at dictated where he ended up. The reason Ohtani is getting such hype is that it's beyond rare for a guy to play the field AND pitch in minors, much less the majors.
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