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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 4:32:14 GMT -5
When do we get to talk about stolen bases and runs scored?
Henderson stole OVER 100 bases 3X in his career and had over 1400 in an admittedly loooooong career.
He also scored 2300 runs!
I think both are first ballot hall of famers- no doubt...but when you look at the two bodies of work what Rickey Henderson did in his career is like video game numbers.
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Post by yankeeyogi on Jan 25, 2018 7:52:02 GMT -5
Excuse me if I am being a bully here for pointing out some comparisons...adding to Rags excellent points:
Rickey: 1,694 SO with 297 HRs Joe: 369 SO with 361 HRs....with 3 years missing in his peak. In 1941, he hit 30 home runs and struck out 13 times during his 56 game streak, striking out hust 5 times, none in the final 32 games.
OPS Rickey: .820 Joe: .977....11th all time playing in cavernous YS. Bill James calculated that DiMaggio lost more home runs due to his home park than any other player in history.
Rickey: 1 MVP Joe: 3 MVPs
Very best TB/season Rickey: 236 in 25 seasons Joe: 418...topped 345 5 times in 13 seasons
They were different players in different eras...and it's always problematic comparing guys from different eras. Rickey is without a doubt the greatest lead off hitter in history and was a prolific run scorer. OTOH Joe is one of the very greatest RHed hitters in ML history! Period! On top of that he was a tremendous defensive CF in massive YS CF. (Rickey BTW was in the top 10 of errors made 6 times.) Joe is unquestionably one of the top 5 (at the least) all around CFers ever. Joe was the greatest player from the game's greatest dynasty of that era...and one of the 2 best MLers of his time.
Oh...then there are 9 World Series championships...vs 2 rings for Rickey in almost twice as many years.
Both first ballot HOFers...both great...Joe has the edge IMO.
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Post by GoodFriar on Jan 25, 2018 9:12:25 GMT -5
Rickey was also a big weirdo.
How many other players threw LH and batted RH?
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Post by yankeeyogi on Jan 25, 2018 9:27:11 GMT -5
Rickey was also a big weirdo. How many other players threw LH and batted RH? He was also the world's biggest ego maniac...well documented. I was at the dog track in Phoenix back in the early 90s and Ricky was seated a few rows in front of me...doing everything he possibly could to let EVERYONE anywhere near us know who he was and that he was the GOAT....loud, strutting around, showing off his eye candy bimbo...just generally being obnoxious. My lady friend who was with me...not a baseball fan...muttered, "I wonder who that fu&king @$$hole is?!?!"
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Post by GoodFriar on Jan 25, 2018 9:47:53 GMT -5
Yeah, well...there's another good DiMaggio comparison.
Anyone who would demand to be announced as "The Greatest Living Player" isn't short in the ego dept.
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Post by yankeeyogi on Jan 25, 2018 10:07:53 GMT -5
Yeah, well...there's another good DiMaggio comparison. Anyone who would demand to be announced as "The Greatest Living Player" isn't short in the ego dept. True
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 10:11:40 GMT -5
Rickey was also a big weirdo. How many other players threw LH and batted RH? He was also the world's biggest ego maniac...well documented. I was at the dog track in Phoenix back in the early 90s and Ricky was seated a few rows in front of me...doing everything he possibly could to let EVERYONE anywhere near us know who he was and that he was the GOAT....loud, strutting around, showing off his eye candy bimbo...just generally being obnoxious. My lady friend who was with me...not a baseball fan...muttered, "I wonder who that fu&king @$$hole is?!?!" DiMaggio wasn't? LOL
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Post by NYY23 on Jan 25, 2018 10:16:41 GMT -5
In game 2 of the 2000 ALCS I just mentioned yesterday in another thread, I was hanging on the wall in left during BP and Rickey was out there shagging. Some dude in the stands was really giving it to him, mostly about playing cards in the clubhouse during a playoff game with Bobby Bo. Rickey was jawing right back, even asking the guy if he wanted to meet after the game (which would have been funny - fat drunk guy vs a chiseled Rickey). There was a ball that rolled to the wall and stopped. When he came over to pick it up, I held my hand out and said "Rickey, you're the freakin' man!" and he gave me a high five. Think Joe D ever would have done that?
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Post by rags on Jan 25, 2018 10:25:10 GMT -5
Excuse me if I am being a bully here for pointing out some comparisons...adding to Rags excellent points: Rickey: 1,694 SO with 297 HRs Joe: 369 SO with 361 HRs....with 3 years missing in his peak. In 1941, he hit 30 home runs and struck out 13 times during his 56 game streak, striking out hust 5 times, none in the final 32 games. OPS Rickey: .820 Joe: .977....11th all time playing in cavernous YS. Bill James calculated that DiMaggio lost more home runs due to his home park than any other player in history. I mean, think about. There were parts of the old Yankee Stadium where you could hit a ball 450 feet and it would barely reach the warning track. It was 461 to dead center. Judge hit only 4 HR's this year that were longer than 461.
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Post by yankeeyogi on Jan 25, 2018 10:26:43 GMT -5
In game 2 of the 2000 ALCS I just mentioned yesterday in another thread, I was hanging on the wall in left during BP and Rickey was out there shagging. Some dude in the stands was really giving it to him, mostly about playing cards in the clubhouse during a playoff game with Bobby Bo. Rickey was jawing right back, even asking the guy if he wanted to meet after the game (which would have been funny - fat drunk guy vs a chiseled Rickey). There was a ball that rolled to the wall and stopped. When he came over to pick it up, I held my hand out and said "Rickey, you're the freakin' man!" and he gave me a high five. Think Joe D ever would have done that? Not a chance.
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Post by yankeeyogi on Jan 25, 2018 10:33:01 GMT -5
He was also the world's biggest ego maniac...well documented. I was at the dog track in Phoenix back in the early 90s and Ricky was seated a few rows in front of me...doing everything he possibly could to let EVERYONE anywhere near us know who he was and that he was the GOAT....loud, strutting around, showing off his eye candy bimbo...just generally being obnoxious. My lady friend who was with me...not a baseball fan...muttered, "I wonder who that fu&king @$$hole is?!?!" DiMaggio wasn't? LOL No one has suggested that.
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Post by jimbue2 on Jan 25, 2018 10:41:31 GMT -5
Excuse me if I am being a bully here for pointing out some comparisons...adding to Rags excellent points: Rickey: 1,694 SO with 297 HRs Joe: 369 SO with 361 HRs....with 3 years missing in his peak. In 1941, he hit 30 home runs and struck out 13 times during his 56 game streak, striking out hust 5 times, none in the final 32 games. OPS Rickey: .820 Joe: .977....11th all time playing in cavernous YS. Bill James calculated that DiMaggio lost more home runs due to his home park than any other player in history. I mean, think about. There were parts of the old Yankee Stadium where you could hit a ball 450 feet and it would barely reach the warning track. It was 461 to dead center. Judge hit only 4 HR's this year that were longer than 461. and thats y i questioned these measurements .....i never seen anybody hit the ball like stanton and judge and the measurement comes back...430 feet .....what? .....i loved the mick but how can it be that he was hitting balls further then these guys......they're bigger ...;stronger and t he equipment is better.....smh
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Post by NYY23 on Jan 25, 2018 10:51:20 GMT -5
How do you know about their equipment?
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Post by rags on Jan 25, 2018 11:52:09 GMT -5
I mean, think about. There were parts of the old Yankee Stadium where you could hit a ball 450 feet and it would barely reach the warning track. It was 461 to dead center. Judge hit only 4 HR's this year that were longer than 461. and thats y i questioned these measurements .....i never seen anybody hit the ball like stanton and judge and the measurement comes back...430 feet .....what? .....i loved the mick but how can it be that he was hitting balls further then these guys......they're bigger ...;stronger and t he equipment is better.....smh You think those measurements in the old stadium were up for decades and nobody figured out that they were wrong? And they would have had to have been wrong by a lot to support your theory. So 461 was really 400 or whatever. And we know that they moved the left-centerfield fence in by a lot when they renovated in the '70's. You think the measurements in the new stadium were wrong too? I don't buy it. I think the old guys were really that good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 12:25:45 GMT -5
Excuse me if I am being a bully here for pointing out some comparisons...adding to Rags excellent points: Rickey: 1,694 SO with 297 HRs Joe: 369 SO with 361 HRs....with 3 years missing in his peak. In 1941, he hit 30 home runs and struck out 13 times during his 56 game streak, striking out hust 5 times, none in the final 32 games. OPS Rickey: .820 Joe: .977....11th all time playing in cavernous YS. Bill James calculated that DiMaggio lost more home runs due to his home park than any other player in history. I mean, think about. There were parts of the old Yankee Stadium where you could hit a ball 450 feet and it would barely reach the warning track. It was 461 to dead center. Judge hit only 4 HR's this year that were longer than 461. if you hit it there youd get a HR...it would just require you to sprint around the bases and not jog...my point is this- IF rickey played at a home field that was 450+ to left center he would've hit 500 career HR
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 12:31:38 GMT -5
there is no doubt the measurements were wrong. they were figured out by casey Stengel stepping it off...The green monster is rumored to be "well under" 300' down the line at fenway...
even today- the seat they keep painted where ted Williams supposedly hit his last HR at fenway? its like 680' away!!! Ortiz never came within 80' of that seat. its no joke- 2/3 of the way UP the RF bleachers at fenway. the wall there is 380...and maybe a couple times a year a year you see someone hit one a row or two over the bullpen- and its a bomb!
Mantle hit one off the façade? no....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 12:42:20 GMT -5
joe Dimmagio is about the size of Ronald Torreyes
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Post by yankeeyogi on Jan 25, 2018 13:43:53 GMT -5
joe Dimmagio is about the size of Ronald Torreyes Right...6'2" 195....just like Toe.
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Post by Lefteroo on Jan 25, 2018 15:24:15 GMT -5
I mean, think about. There were parts of the old Yankee Stadium where you could hit a ball 450 feet and it would barely reach the warning track. It was 461 to dead center. Judge hit only 4 HR's this year that were longer than 461. if you hit it there youd get a HR...it would just require you to sprint around the bases and not jog...my point is this- IF rickey played at a home field that was 450+ to left center he would've hit 500 career HR Good point, Kyle. In the old Stadium, Rickey's double to LC that resulted in Meacham and D. Berra both being thrown out at home would have been a game-winning three-run inside the parker.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 16:07:46 GMT -5
joe Dimmagio is about the size of Ronald Torreyes Right...6'2" 195....just like Toe. haha...that's absurd. DiMaggio was 5-8 MAYBE 5-9 and 170 pounds. I have a picture of myself next to him.
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